Maybrit Eliner: Könert’s stern declaration: The German army will fight in Poland! – Politics

The federal president finally called Kiev and now received an invitation, cunningly “the whole head of state”. But doubts about German support remain. Maybritt Ellner asks: “Creating peace with more guns – a mistake or a duty?”

Guests

Norbert Röttgen (56, CDU). The foreign politician “does not understand whether the oil embargo is months away.”

Kevin Kuhnert (32, SPD). The Secretary-General warns: “We must prevent an endless chain reaction.”

Marina Whispend (34, green). The propagandist accuses the search for a compromise: “How many villages, how many cities do you want to leave for Russian occupation?”

Professor Nicole Detelhoff (47). The Peace and Conflict researcher wants to “keep open the channels through which we can influence Russian society.”

Ranga Yogeshwar (62). ARD broker defends Alice Schwarzer’s open letter to the chancellor: Heavy weapons “could mean something we don’t all want.” It came from Hennef on screen.

Politics, science, and the media: How harmonious is your choir’s voice? The Zoff-o-Meter listens very carefully!

Most of the resinous zof displays it

The fact that the cow is finally off the Ukrainian ice thanks to the phone call between the federal president and his Kyiv counterpart deprives the talk-show host of a promising controversial topic, since Röttgen and Kühnert no longer want to invest in the point.

Röttgen praised his party leader “appears to have made a contribution”. As a result of Mers’ trip, the understanding between the two presidents became a “great thing”. It shouldn’t be more of a victory.



Norbert Röttgen (56, CDU)

Kuhnert is sitting across from the CDU guy in the gray thread like a chaplain and only quietly grumbling that the phone call should have come through Merz is a “bold claim. It’s more about Scholz’s Monday interview on ZDF. His facial expression indicates the utmost serenity.”

More insightful memories

The ZDF clip gets things moving: After the 1982 mass demos due to NATO’s modification of Russian nuclear missiles, SPD German Chancellor Helmut Schmidt roared: “No understanding at all! Red Than Dead” was one of the slogans of submission to the Soviet threat! ”

But now Yogeshwar has returned to the old level: “We are getting more and more into military discourse, that we are talking more and more about weapons and not enough about negotiations,” he complains. Well, negotiations! With Putin, who does not want to negotiate at all?

Most dramatic warning

Weissband braided a peasant braid around his head, which is popular in Eastern Europe, and categorically explained: “If Ukraine gives up regions, these are regions where rape and torture happen, where civilians are killed. Dictatorship is not peace!”


Marina Whispend (34)

Marina Whispend (34)

Her fear: “All the nuclear powers are watching us and thinking: Oh, I just have to threaten nuclear escalation and then I’ll get whatever I want. As a compromise, if I wage aggressive war, I get 50 percent of the territory I claim. That’s a lethal sign!”

The most amazing argument

Peace researcher Deitelhoff believes: “The military goal is not a victory for Ukraine, but Ukraine does not lose.” Off!


Peace and conflict researcher Professor Nicole Dietlhoff (47)

Peace and conflict researcher Professor Nicole Dietlhoff (47)

The basis for their settlement: arms shipments “in combination with massive economic sanctions” are intended to create a situation “in which both sides of the conflict are willing to return to the negotiating table.” At the expense of who is supposed to succeed peace?

The most obvious correction

“If you have an asymmetrical conflict with one aggressor and the other only defending,” Weisband disagrees, strengthening the aggressor is more for war and strengthening the defender is a path to peace. “Period!

Her perplexing question: “If Russia’s goal is to eliminate Ukraine and Ukraine’s goal is not to be annihilated, then what exactly is the trade-off here? The consignee from Mr. Yogeshwar should not be the chancellor, but Mr. Putin!”

The most surprising openness

Koehnert quietly listens to the discussion and then suddenly breaks out: “The fact that Ukraine is not a member of NATO makes a difference,” he says at the outset.


Kevin Konert finds clear words

Kevin Konert finds clear words

Then comes the thing: “It always hurts to say that for the people who are suffering there now,” says the SPD general, “but if the attack was on Poland and not on Ukraine, we would not have heavy weapons today., but then The German army will be in Poland and fight there.” Boom!

The most important word

“It is clear that training Ukrainian soldiers is not part of the war,” Konert adds. According to international law, the delivery of heavy weapons does not enter into war either.”

Putin has shown for years that he is “not interested in the rules of the game”, as the SPD general explained, formulating a central creed of his party: “We have to think about how to prevent careless work!”

According to Kuhnert, people are interested in recalling gestures, “whether we do everything to ensure that no careless steps are taken!”

clearer edge

Röttgen considered it a “fundamental miscalculation” on the part of letter writers about Alice Schwarzer, “to think that Putin needs excuses to pursue his politics”. Weissband, whose family lives in Kyiv, nodded vigorously.

“Putin wants to destroy Ukraine and create an empire,” the CDU politician said without hesitation. “It doesn’t depend on us delivering Cheetah, Leopard 1 or Leopard 2.” For him, Schwarzer’s message is “a plea for the rights of the strongest.” Wonderful!

Most understandable desire

The co-signer Yogeshwar looks down from his screen with a wry smile. ‘It would be well, Mr. Röttgen,’ complains, ‘that you read the letter really well.’ This is not about “abandoning Ukraine”.


ARD Broadcaster Ranga Yogeshwar (62)

ARD Broadcaster Ranga Yogeshwar (62)

The most important point for the science journalist at ARD is to worry about his mistake: “I don’t want to stand there and say: Well, we thought it would happen this way, and it turned out differently,” he worries. In this case, his personal mental state is likely to be of secondary importance.

Then the Zoff-O-Meter turns red

The peace scholar tries to equalize it again: “There is arrogance on both sides,” she says, laughing at first, but waving angrily with both hands: “The point is, both sides work with suggestions!”

When Röttgen objected, the professor looked at him angrily: “Both sides are speculating about the ultimate goals!”

Then follows a shocking banality: “Honestly, could I?” Deitelhoff asks, visibly upset. “In science, I can tell you that we find it very difficult to predict the outcome of conflicts because they have their own dynamics.” Seriously now? Phew!

dumbest denial

After 20 minutes of explanatory listening with his fingers on his lips, Koehnert says his word again and first wants to let the air out of the escaped rage balloon: Deliver heavy weapons Nuclear war looms! “

“Watched it again with more,” the talk show host replied, reading the text in her note. “This escalation must be avoided at all costs, and this needs careful consideration,” the chancellor was quoted as saying. This was the answer to the question Do heavy weapons mean escalation!

But Kohnert is still in good shape: “You can see that he did not assume that the delivery of heavy weapons would lead to nuclear war by the fact that shortly thereafter he himself announced the delivery of the Bombing Panthers.” Heidewitzka, Herr General!

ugliest hints

And the professor wants to record again: “The more we support Ukraine militarily and therefore its strength in the confrontation with Russia, there is, of course, the risk that Ukraine will have less interest in negotiations.”!

Yogeshwar remains angry: “When I listen to Mr. Röttgen,” he purrs, “then I get the impression that we want to go back to the Cold War!”

But the CDU politician let the ARD man cool down: “The Cold War is irreversibly over. We have a hot war now.” Amen!

Quote from the evening

“It can’t be a concession that Ukraine would make more concessions now because that would just be an invitation to more war in Europe.” Marina Weisband

Conclusion

Rodeoers with arguments from yesterday’s swirl of excitement and old ideology against realpolitik based on experience, cherished illusions exploded with the last desperate sympathy for Putin’s false narratives: It was a talk show in the “Thank God” category.

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