Tv show “Anne Weil”: “Hitler’s Germany was defeated only because the USA and other countries supplied them with weapons”

aOn Sunday evening, in memory of the liberation, Chancellor Schulz addressed the German people in a televised address. In his speech, he stressed, “Never war again” has been a priority for Europe since 1945 – and now Germany must help end the war in Ukraine. In addition, he also emphasized his readiness to supply Ukraine with heavy weapons, as was decided recently in the Bundestag.

But is this the right way? At Anne Will’s, guests discussed this Sunday evening against the backdrop of two open letters in which several celebrities spoke of opposing positions on the issue of guns being handed over to Olaf Schultz.

CDU politician Ruprecht Bollins, who signed the open letter in favor of handing over heavy weapons, and sociologist Harald Welzer, who spoke out against handing over weapons in Alice Schwarzer’s letter, were invited to attend. In addition, Ukrainian Ambassador Andrei Melnik, SPD General Secretary Kevin Konert, and Britta Haselmann, Leader of the Parliamentary Group at Bündnis 90/Die Grünen also discussed.

Searching for a middle ground is a “complete delusion”

Ambassador Andrej Melnik criticized sociologist Harald Welzer, saying, “It is easy for you to sit in your professor’s room and philosophize.” He has just made clear the position of the open letter he and many other celebrities signed, in which they demand that Germany not supply heavy weapons to Ukraine and that both warring parties should instead pursue peace negotiations.

“A war against a nuclear power cannot be won,” Welzer quoted philosopher Jürgen Habermas as saying. Similar to the Cold War, he said, continued arms shipments would create an “escalatory dynamic” that would eventually end in an “enduring war.” As a solution, the open letter suggests “finding a way to talk about a compromise.”

For Melnik, this was clearly a “complete delusion,” as he said, “They want Ukraine to surrender because Russia is stronger.” It means: No matter what you do, you can’t beat Russia – and that’s not true.

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For Wilzer, the factual discussion seems to have ended: “I often notice that you treat your conversation partners in an incredibly aggressive way,” he told Melnik. “Where do you get that judgment about people’s motives like that from?” he added. He and many other intellectuals were speaking against the background of the war experience of World War II, which “swept the generations”.

Since the outbreak of the war, Ambassador Melnik has repeatedly caused uproar with his sharp criticism of the federal government. Earlier in the program, he again criticized the low level of German spending to support Ukraine and compared it to the US intention to “move heaven and earth.”

Walzer also recalled that the German war experience also included ten million Ukrainian dead. Welzer only replied, “Find out more about my work, you won’t have to come to me for the discussion.”

Germany does not want to become a party to the war

Welzer was heavily criticized for his attacks on Melnyk on social networks – he found few allies for his position during the show. Ruprecht Bollins, who signed the second open letter, accused him of the opposite situation, saying, “If you follow your advice, you will certainly have escalatory problems.”

According to Bolins, all of Putin’s successes in this war would only encourage him to keep going. Negotiations at the moment are also deceptive: “A lot of concessions have been made since 2014, and that doesn’t mean the attack wouldn’t have happened now,” said Bollins.

The Secretary-General of the Social Democratic Party, Kevin Kunert, also rejected criticism of the delivery of heavy weapons. The “non-repetition of war” should not be equated with an immediate armistice. “Merely the silence of the guns does not bring peace,” Koehnert said.

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However, the issue of providing the federal government with heavy weapons is not a topic for which there is a clear answer. “We’re in a different political field,” Kuhnert said. Minimum wages, wealth tax, and rent control – these are questions that must be answered with yes or no. “But that’s about how to find the balance, there’s no text for that.”

Britta Haselman (the Greens) also hesitated to say yes or no to the delivery of heavy weapons. However, she is leaning more towards the position of the open letter, also signed by Ruprecht Bollins: “I also don’t know why people think that if we hand over a certain type of weapon, war will come sooner or not,” she said. “Germany does not want to become a party to the war.”

Above all, this question does not depend on how many howitzers are delivered, Kuhnert emphasized – instead it is important to “transparently evaluate our steps without becoming overheated.”

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He also praised the chancellor’s televised speech, which was broadcast a few hours ago. Wilzer commented on the letter that it was “largely indifferent”. Melnyk and Polenz criticized it for the lack of new information. That’s exactly what’s important, Koehnert said: “The longer the war goes on, the longer people need to confirm that the lines of last week and the week before are still the lines of today.”

But this was not enough for Melnik. When asked by mediator Anne Weil, he admitted that he did not believe that the Bundestag’s decision to supply arms would be implemented. Like Kunert and Haselman, he stressed the importance of the Chancellor’s televised speech on Liberation Day.

However, Melnik reminded that “the war will never be repeated” must be followed by action: “Germany’s policy of remembrance is being tested in Ukraine today,” he said. “Whether you like it or not, we’ll keep fighting and have the support of other partners willing to do something.”

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If there’s one lesson from World War II, it’s that arms shipments are essential: “Hitler’s Germany can only be defeated because the United States and other countries handed over the arms,” ​​Melnik said. Instead, the search for a compromise, according to the open letter’s request, would be fatal to the Ukrainians, as he told Harald Welzer towards the end of the programme: “Every day you sit here and debate for so long is costing my countrymen’s lives.”

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