Updated 05/20/2022 06:26
Maybrit Eliner and her guests on Thursday evening discussed the failure of peace negotiations between Russia and Ukraine and possible membership in the European Union. Military expert Gustav Grisel gave an assessment of the further course of the war, which left-wing politician Grigor Jesse had to raise in the mirror by the Ukrainian writer Yevgenia Belorocets.
Peace negotiations between Russia and Ukraine have failed at the moment. Both sides have now confirmed this. At the same time, Sweden and Finland want to join NATO, but Turkey is blocking accession talks. More than 260 Ukrainian militants are said to have left the Mariupol steel plant besieged by Russia, among whom were seriously injured. It is said that the prisoner exchange is planned.
This is the “Illner” theme.
The topic has been the same for weeks: the war in Ukraine. This time, moderator Maypreet Elner spoke to her guests about the questions: “How long is this war supposed to last?” and “How realistic is the goal of expelling all Russian soldiers from Ukraine?” The studio also dealt with Ukraine’s accession to the European Union, Defense Minister Christina Lambrecht (SPD) and German arms shipments in an international comparison.
These are the guests
- Gregor Jesse (left): The foreign policy spokesman for the left-wing parliamentary group in the Bundestag said other countries could supply arms, but Germany should not. “We have a different story,” he said. He does not like the fact that the German arms industry is winning with it. “I strongly support the prosecution of war criminals, but all war criminals – including those who participated in the illegal war in Iraq,” he said.
- Gustave Grisel: “It is basically possible, but still a long way off,” said the military and security expert from the European Council on Foreign Relations (ECFR) of Ukraine’s victory. The Russian army will be able to attack well in the summer. Analyze “Ukrainian army can have the upper hand in summer”. “We still have a lot of war ahead of us,” Grisel said. According to the expert, there is no possibility of change in Russia faster than losing this war with fanfare.
- Ursula von der Leyen (CDU): “It applies to Ukraine as it is to any other country that certain criteria must be met in order to join the European Union,” the EU commission chief said. One would co-finance the reconstruction of Ukraine – then the investments could be linked to the necessary reforms. “Then it depends a lot on how this country develops,” she said of the time perspective on joining.
- Marcus Feldenkirchen: The political writer in SPIEGEL’s office in the capital once again witnessed a “significant communication deficit”. He analyzed the relationship between the SPD and the FDP: “It’s not just different mentalities, there are two political forces that want something different.” The FDP is pushing for deliveries of heavy weapons more aggressively than the chancellor.
- Mary Agnes Strack Zimmermann (FDP): “Under certain conditions, some resistance can be generated when young people aged 18 or 19 are conscripted for war but do not return,” the FDP politician said of possible mobilization in Russia. “I don’t think the standard of humiliation or ‘should not lose face’ is not a standard for Vladimir Putin at all,” she said. In order for Russia to stop attacking its neighbors, military and economic measures are needed – but the desire to wage war must also be broken.
- Yevgenia Belorocets: “The mood in Germany was very inspiring for me,” said the photographer and author, who lives and works in Kyiv and Berlin. I felt support and solidarity from the first minute. “Russia has turned my peaceful country into a completely militarized country,” she lamented. If Putin is not stopped forever, there will only be a silent phase at which the next attack can be prepared.
This is the evening’s moment in “Illner.”
Maybrit Illner asked the connected Belorusets if she was concerned that the help would be less and less. ‘I feel this anxious again,’ she replied, ‘when I hear Mr. Gezi speak.’ It is about destroying their country.
“Talking about humanitarian aid in this case actually means saying: Yes, this destruction is OK for us. We can just look at it, we are slowly getting used to the bad news from this area, we are letting people die, but we will do it. It brought some Medicines for suffering,” Jeezy was severely reprimanded. This got him into big trouble.
This is the evening’s duel speech
Defense politician Strack Zimmermann defended her fellow traffic light colleague Christine Lambrecht (SPD), saying: “I see her as a good defense minister.” She has technical expertise around her and is very loyal to her advisor. “Your predecessor could not have been better,” said the FDP politician. She did not want to “work” this woman.
Journalist Feldenkirchen did not want to leave it that way. “But the motives behind someone taking this important position must be reconsidered,” he said. Ancestor Kramp-Karrenbauer did not want to leave his position to Jens Spahn in an internal power struggle, and Schulze’s reasons for choosing Lambrecht were not clearly stated. “I think other criteria should be applied, at least in the future,” he said.
This is what Maybrette Elinner did
Maybrit Illner can ask important, crucial, and surprising questions. “Would you like the chancellor to be more concrete?” I asked alliance partner Strack-Zimmermann. Little criticism was made of it. “Should others help, not just us?” Illner asked in Jeezy’s direction when the weapons were refused. An important question also went to Belorusets: “Are you worried that assistance will decrease?” The admin wanted to know.
This is the result of “Maybrit Illner”
Admittedly, presenting a program on Ukraine’s war today is no easy task. You risk discussing the same points over and over again. This also happened somewhat on Thursday evening: Lambrecht staff, Scholz communication problems – I’ve heard it all before.
In the future, it is better to take a closer look: Turkey’s role in talks to join NATO or the decisive tones between traffic light partners.